It's nice to be at Heritage and it is wonderful to
see such interest in marriage. I'm going to talk today about what
we're attempting to do in Oklahoma to strengthen families and
strengthen marriage. I'd like to begin by mentioning the bombing of
the federal office building in Oklahoma City that occurred less
than three months after I became governor. The reason I bring up
that tragedy is because it was a precursor, if you will, to this
marriage initiative. I was so impressed with the fact that
something that awful could be handled that well, that people could
come together on their own and work together to save lives and save
property without being lined up and told what to do by the
government.
Shortly after that, we had an especially
brutal killing involving a child by the name of Ryan Luke. At a
press conference, I was asked what I was going to do about it. I
appropriately said, as the chief executive of the state, that we
were going to have more child-abuse investigators and that we would
seek to have these kinds of cases handled in a non-jury environment
so we could have a quicker process and the introduction of all the
evidence that should be heard by the court.
Then
about two weeks later a little boy by the name of Shane Coffman was
murdered by a caregiver. Again, the press asked me what was I going
to do about it. This time, I said, What can I do about it? What can
anybody do about it if family members are intent on preying upon
their young, when there is savagery and violence among members of
families, when live-in boyfriends are molesting, abusing, and
destroying the children of their live-in girlfriends? What can
anybody do? These are issues of the heart and of the head that have
to be resolved in forums other than government forums.
Shortly thereafter, I had an opportunity
to talk to a group of fundamentalist pastors in my state. I
mentioned that while we are a believing community--in our state,
like many states in the South, 70 percent of our people go to
church twice a month or more--we have one of the highest divorce
rates in the country. We have a high incidence of out-of-wedlock
births. We have violence against the young and the old. We have
drug abuse. I asked, What are you saying about these problems in
your pulpits? What are you doing about these extremely significant
social challenges?
Some
months later, I asked the state Chamber of Commerce and our
principal economics departments at the University of Oklahoma and
at Oklahoma State University to study the question of what is
holding our economy back. Not what holds any state back, but what
holds our state back. I think every governor wants to know
how his or her state can be more competitive with other states and
even the rest of the world.
In
our state we have made considerable progress in changing the way we
do business, and I'm very proud of that, but we needed to do more.
Somebody asked me once what it's like to be governor of a state
like Oklahoma where two-thirds of your legislature is Democrat. I
said it's very much like being the chairman of General Motors and
two-thirds of your directors are employees from Ford and they don't
want you to sell any General Motors products. It's tough. The
partisan system is tough.
In
any event, I had been calling for privatization and reduction of
government, cutting taxes, and the like. Over the last five and a
half years we have reduced the state income tax and we've reduced a
whole series of other taxes. We privatized prisons and the
university hospital complex. We reduced state employees by about 5
percent.
We
also embarked on a very aggressive education reform effort. Charter
schools. School choice. We didn't get what we wanted, but
strengthening the education curriculum resulted in our receiving an
A minus from Education Week. That's the first time we've
ever achieved that.
We
reduced the welfare rolls by 70 percent, which eventually permitted
us to free up some of the TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy
Families) funds to strengthen marriage. We've done all these things
in a very difficult partisan environment, but we've done them
because they're the right things to do.
I've
felt that these measures were the prescription for prosperity, but
they weren't enough. That's why I asked the state chamber and the
universities if they would analyze the issue of what holds our
state back. They came back with the expected recommendations on the
economic ledger side: We have regulatory barriers we need to
address. We have an expensive worker's compensation system. We have
a tax system that appears to be more universal than it should be.
We have a state income tax that's still too high. We're about
70,000 college graduates short.
That
is what I had been saying. That is what I had believed. That is
what I had been advocating for some years. But then they did
something quite remarkable, something I've never seen economic
development people do. They turned the page and said there were
other factors that were holding us back. "We have too much divorce
among families with children. We have too many out-of-wedlock
births. We have too much violence and drug abuse."
I
don't know about you, but I had never seen an analysis of a state's
or a country's economy focusing on those issues. So, my agenda,
like theirs, was strictly secular and nonsectarian. My agenda was
to bring together the leadership of the state from both parties and
the business community and propose that we address in a legislative
environment issues like right-to-work, worker's compensation,
income tax, and education rigor in order to raise the number of
college graduates, but also look at this other dimension: How are
we going to address the social issues that hold us back--because
they do, in fact, hold us back.
Let
me say at the outset that at no time did I or anybody suggest that
divorce should not be permitted. Of course, you have to have an
outlet for marriages that fail. We know, unfortunately, that not
every marriage survives, nor, for that matter, is every marriage
meant to survive. People change. Circumstances change.
But
one out of two marriages end in divorce in many jurisdictions in my
state. In 1998, for example, there were more divorces than
marriages in 35 counties.
So,
I stood in front of the legislature in my State of the State
address and my inaugural address two years ago, and I pondered,
"Tell me the goodness, the sense, the wisdom of a system where it
is more difficult to get a hunting license than it is to get a
marriage license. Tell me the sense of a system where it is easier
to get out of a marriage contract involving children than it is to
get out of a Tupperware contract."
Many
of us who were in legislative positions in the `70s thought that
adding mutual incompatibility as a grounds for divorce, making
marriages more "throw-awayable" than any other contractual
relationship, was a good thing, that it was liberating. Many of us,
both right and left, Republican and Democrat, felt that was the
right thing to do.
There's an axiom in economics: If you want
more of something, subsidize it; if you want less of something, tax
it. We decided to make divorce much easier, and, consequently, we
got a lot more divorce. According to the economics departments at
our two comprehensive universities, we had a lot of poverty in the
state because, unfortunately, the result of too much divorce is in
many cases children who are more prone to violence and to dropping
out of school. There's more drug abuse and other dysfunction in
environments like that.
I
was on Politically Incorrect some
months ago. Bill Maher is a friend, and he's a bright guy, but
really he's politically correct. His show usually has one
libertarian, three liberals, and one conservative. That's the way
Politically Incorrect is. The issue
they wanted to raise was the marriage initiative, and I explained
that it was a secular message to make our state rich. That simple.
To try to do what we can to have people prepared for marriage, to
survive a marriage relationship, and to be able to provide a strong
economic base for that family unit. One of the guests said, "What
business is it of yours to tell me whether I should be married or
not married, or whether I can be divorced?" I answered that I
wasn't telling him whether he should or should not be married or
divorced. That was his decision.
"But
remember this," I said, "Right now, we make decisions by state law
as to what age you can get married and when you can get married. We
require blood tests. If you decide to walk away from your spouse,
it is not like walking away from a boyfriend or a girlfriend. You
walk away from your spouse, and here come the lawyers. You have
judges decide where the children go. You have judges decide who the
children can visit. You have judges who don't even know you, don't
even know your family, decide how much money you will pay or how
much money you will receive. So, the law is very much
involved."
The
question is how can we as a people, black, white, red, and yellow,
Protestant, Catholic, Jew, believer, or nonbeliever, encourage the
strength of a relationship that clearly determines whether or not
we are prosperous.
We
had a major conference at the governor's residence in Oklahoma
City. We brought together people from the business community and
the social service community to help us focus on things that would
help strengthen marriage. Again, I'm not saying that marriages that
were meant to fail, that simply shouldn't survive, shouldn't be
permitted to be terminated. We understand that those things happen.
My family has been buffeted by divorce, as I'm sure many of your
families have as well. But it is in the interest of good
citizenship to abate this high incidence of divorce, out-of-wedlock
births, violence, and drug abuse.
One
of the meeting's proposals, which did not take flight, was to
remove mutual incompatibility as a grounds for divorce. The
legislature simply didn't think that was a great idea. Those who
participated in the conference, felt that the other grounds for
divorce that have traditionally been in the law--drunkenness,
nonsupport, violence, abuse--should obviously remain. People who
are subjected to that kind of bestiality or neglect should be able
to depart. But mutual incompatibility basically says, I don't like
you anymore; I'm leaving--even with a stable full of children, with
enormous financial consequences at risk, and with tremendous social
costs adjacent to that act. We as a people have permitted it to
happen and we've had a huge, huge number of divorces. The
legislature, however, would not accept that proposal.
We
decided we should make a marriage license cheaper if you attend a
course on marriage. They liked that. That was okay. It's hard to
imagine Democrats giving up tax revenue, but this time they thought
it was a pretty good thing. We also made a suggestion to the faith
community. Since 75 percent of the marriages in our state are
performed in synagogues, mosques, and churches, we could ask the
faith community to have a required course before marriage so that
young and not-so-young people could understand the lifetime
obligation of the marriage contract.
One
Jewish leader in Oklahoma recapped a story as to why he thought
such a class would be a pretty good idea. He had sat down with a
young couple making arrangements for their wedding. The young man
said, "We're going to give this a five-year try." To which he
responded, and I'm being a little apocryphal, "Do you own a
house?"
"Not
yet," said the young man.
"Do
you own a car?"
"Yes."
"If
you had gone to the bank and told the banker who was going to loan
you money, I'll give these payments a three-year try for the car,
and maybe a five-year try for the house, do you think he would have
loaned you the money?"
It's
an easy answer of course: No.
With
only a few exceptions, we had virtually every leader of the faith
community--the Muslims, the Jews, the Catholics, and the principal
Protestant denominations, as well as the independent churches--sign
a covenant, a statement, that they will require premarital
counseling in their churches, synagogues, and mosques before they
marry anyone. The purpose, which is rather dramatic in this
society, is to say: This is a lifetime commitment. Honor your
spouse and love and care for him or her and understand that your
commitment to him or her is a lifetime partnership commitment.
Learn about finances. Learn how to fight fairly and learn that
arguments, disagreements, are not uncommon events in any
marriage.
This
initiative has had a very profound impact on commentators and on
people in my state. They think it is the right thing to do.
Government is not saying you must, but rather you must not. What
the chief executive of the state has done is to bring people
together to say, let's try to be better, to do better. Let's be a
better people.
We're the first state in the union to
propose to use some of our TANF funds--the old Aid to Families with
Dependent Children money--our welfare money, for the purpose of
strengthening marriage. The Congress has permitted it. Welfare
reform, which I think, as a governor, was one of the wisest things
the Republican Congress has done, has permitted us to say,
forcefully, but not in a mean-spirited way, you need to take
individual responsibility, you are a human being, you are a special
asset, you are a citizen. We together, you and I, should help each
other to be independent and responsible.
So,
we now have a 70 percent reduction in welfare expenditures in our
state. We think that's a very positive thing. But we see frequently
that the people who need help the most are those who have been
abandoned by their spouse or divorced by their spouse, especially
those with children. If we can use some of this money to help
uplift marriage, to encourage the survival of marriages, that's a
good investment.
Today in the United States, we spend
probably $150 billion a year helping single families, but we only
spend about $150 million helping intact families. Democrats and
Republicans alike should do what we can to strengthen families,
and, as a result, strengthen the financial security of families.
That's in our best interest because by so doing we make sure that
they have the financial resources to educate their children and
provide for their retirement.
So,
we now have a scholars-in-residence program at Oklahoma State
University. We've taken the TANF workers, as well as the
public-health nurses in the state, and provided them with an
opportunity to sit down and discuss the need to stress as a part of
their services to families, particularly very vulnerable new
families, that marriage is a lifetime commitment and that you need
to be prepared before you get married. Be educated before you're
married. Have some money in your pocket before you're married.
Don't just do it as a lark. It isn't like buying a car.
I
think the public-health and the education communities have been
very receptive. Obviously, we are careful as we figuratively walk
through these mine fields because there is at the outset--as I
noted on Politically Incorrect --some
sensitivity to somebody suggesting what another should or should
not do with respect to their private affairs. But this is in many
aspects a public affair when you're dealing with children who are
abused or children who are abandoned, or the need for welfare
spending, or other social service expenditures like day care, which
obviously are impacted by the rate of divorce and the rate of
marriage. I am working with the legislative leadership to nudge
them along to try to encourage family survival and to discourage
divorce.
A
few years ago, I was in Duncan, which is a small community in the
south central part of our state. In the course of an appearance
before a high school student body, a young girl raised her hand.
She asked, "What do you think of out-of-wedlock births?" I said, "I
think they're wrong. What's the issue?"
A
little twittering began. I noticed that she was out to here.
I
have two daughters and I talked to her like a dad. "If I told you I
was seven months pregnant, would your answer be any different?" she
asked.
"No," I said. "It wouldn't be. You don't
have any education. You don't have any money. You don't have a
husband. This is not healthy. I would hope that you'd put the child
up for adoption."
I
didn't want to embarrass her and I didn't. I wanted to treat her
with the affection and respect that a father would treat a
daughter. After my conversation in front of the student body, the
students stood up and applauded, which stunned me. As I was
leaving, a young man came over and grabbed my arm and queried if I
knew why everybody stood up and applauded. I said, no. He said that
no counselor, teacher, or anyone there had ever said that. The
pregnant student had made the statement that she wanted to have a
child, period, and that was what she was going to do. Not one of
them tried to counsel her otherwise.
Every child is in my judgment a special
asset, and we need to make sure that every child is strong and
secure when he or she begins his life's journey. We can do more of
that--not all of that, but more of that--if we secure at the outset
of that life's journey a stable family: a mother and a father.
This
is not to discourage the breakup of bad homes and bad families,
because sometimes that is the best thing to do. Rather, let's
encourage the survival of those families, those homes that can
survive.
My
wife and I have had marriage counseling. We've been married nearly
28 years. Every one of us does change. Our attitudes change. Our
approaches and value system will bump in one direction or another
on occasion. But I understand my marriage is a lifetime contract,
and I try to work through it. I hope that all of us, in government
and out, could appreciate and advance that lifetime contract, could
encourage us to be a stronger society and certainly a more
prosperous society. Thank you very much.
Q & A
Q: If
the impetus for this initiative is primarily economic, are there
any economic incentives for people to stay married?
A:
Obviously, abolishing the marriage tax penalty is a good economic
incentive. (That's a plug, by the way.) I also think there is an
opportunity for Heritage, for example, and other scholarly
institutions, to examine what those incentives could be. A tax
system that encourages people to be married and remain married is
healthy, but as we begin our walk any suggestions are welcome.
Q:
Concerning the GOP platform, do you see any changes this year? For
example, do you see a call for a national marriage initiative
similar to the Oklahoma Marriage Initiative?
A:
Obviously, the platform is pretty mature by now. Any suggestion to
add anything new probably would be met with some resistance,
because it's just too close to the convention. But I think that
both parties--and this is not a Republican thing, or a Democrat
thing--I think both parties should be more interested in the issues
that can bring us together as a people and strengthen our society.
Whatever we can do economically as well as socially within the
social service and the religious communities we ought to do to
bring about less crime, less abuse, less dysfunction, and fewer
school dropouts.
Politics, of course, is a part of it. I
don't shy away from that. As I said when people ask what's a
political guy getting involved in what are really private
decisions, I say yes, they're private decisions, but to the extent
that these are issues that do impoverish a society we need to
debate them and come up with whatever solution is appropriate.
Q: Have
you had a chance to talk to your fellow governors at all about
this?
A: Yes,
we've talked about it quite a bit. As a matter of fact, a number of
my fellow governors of both parties are looking at similar
programs. I don't know how mature their process is, but they're
very supportive. They face the same challenges that I do. It is
very expensive to take care of "two" families, and the social costs
associated with abuse and neglect and abandonment are very high.
Remember that welfare reform, by the way, was embraced heartily by
most governors of both parties.
Q:
Governor, in the 1996 GOP platform there was one sentence about the
catastrophic change in divorce law. It's in the family and society
section. I wonder if you thought you could include it this year,
since you've been one of those who's exhibited enormous courage on
this issue with your state legislature.
In one sentence it said, "We urge state
legislatures to review divorce law, to foster the stability of the
home, and protect the economic rights of the innocent spouse and
children."
A: I
think that language is good. As I mentioned in answer to another
question, it may be too late or it may already be in there. I have
not seen the platform. Governor Thompson from Wisconsin, as you
know, has been the chair and he's done a wonderful job. I think
that's certainly an appropriate contribution if it can be made.
Q: Can
you describe how you plan to spend the $10 million in making this
new marriage initiative work?
A:
There are a number of things that are under consideration. We have
a committee of individuals headed by Jerry Regier, the leading
light of the initiative, who's secretary of health and human
services in Oklahoma, and the head of the welfare department. Many
ideas are being discussed, including training sessions for nurses,
for school teachers, and for those individuals on the public side
as well as the private who deal with young families and with young
children.
For example, we already have an initiative
called Children First, where if we see a vulnerable birth, an
out-of-wedlock or a very young teenage birth, we assign a
public-health nurse to that family. This is an example of where
TANF funds could be spent--to help fund a much larger Children
First program. If, for example, it's an out-of-wedlock birth, this
nurse can talk about reasons for getting married. Another example
might be working with married teens who are pregnant--and there are
a lot of teen marriages in Oklahoma--and helping them to strengthen
these vulnerable relationships, many of which fail because the
young people don't have the financial resources or the
maturity.
Q: Are
you particularly interested in these types of social issues as they
apply at the national level to the national economy?
A:
Sure. As I said, this is not a Republican issue; this is an
American issue. Compared to a number of countries in the world, we
have a very high out-of-wedlock birth rate and a very high divorce
rate. These are serious challenges to our future, our economic
future, and so I'm certainly interested in them at all levels. But
I'm just as happy working on them in Oklahoma.
Q:
Governor, a lot of advocates for the poor say that the welfare
system has built-in economic disincentives for marriage by
requiring fathers who marry or cohabit with the mothers of their
children who are receiving welfare to then pay back the cost of
welfare. I was wondering whether you are considering something that
would change that equation in Oklahoma.
A: All
of that is on the table. For example, Governor Bush's idea of a
fathers' registry is a very good idea. When you have a child born
out of wedlock, the father would have to sign on the dotted line or
lose the opportunity to have that child as his child. The child
could then be adopted successfully by another loving, caring family
if the mother so chose, and not have to worry about the father
coming back and claiming the child.
These are issues we, ladies and gentlemen,
need to talk about and debate and discuss and implement. Not just
talk, but take the best and the brightest ideas that will make a
difference and implement them in public policy.
Q: A
bout 75 percent of welfare mothers are reported to have suffered
domestic abuse. Do you think that it is advantageous for them to
try and get them to marry the men who have abused them?
A: I
must confess, I can't understand why anybody would marry somebody
that punches them out all the time. I'd try to get away from that
as fast as I could. I have a thing called "Open Door after Four,"
where people come in and just sit and talk. I remember after one of
these child-abuse cases, a young woman came to me, and she showed
me a Polaroid photograph of her abused little child. It was a
sexually explicit Polaroid photograph.
I asked her, "Who did this?"
"My boyfriend," she said.
"Who's the father? Where is this guy? He
ought to be in jail."
"Well, he's living with me."
"Well, who do you care about, him or the
child?"
"You mean I can get rid of him?"
"Well, yes, throw him out."
It was just stunning to me that her
priorities were so out of sync that the boyfriend was more
important than that little vulnerable, innocent child. That's where
the education part of this TANF process is so important--to talk
basics to many families that aren't families. To say to children
who are in school, in health classes, for example, who just don't
have any basing in moral values, "Look, every child is precious,
every life is precious. Don't touch your neighbor. Don't touch your
neighbor's property." For young mothers, "Your most important
contribution is to raise this child healthy and successful. That's
your obligation."
The Honorable Frank Keating is
governor of Oklahoma.